27 Re: Ask a Pentecostal

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ltwin Regular Member   Join Date: November 9, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,693 Religion: Pentecostal

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by jerry_joseph You can see in bible , people confessing to Apostles , Acts 19:18 "Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed what they had done.". Why they confessed before apostles .?. Why didn't they prayed directly to God for the forgiveness of Sin?. This does not really say what you want it to say. This is no different than someone involved in the occult becoming a born again Christian and confessing his former practices and sins before the congregation. And the congregation praises God and delights with the believer in his deliverance. __________________ Let your love be my companion In the war against my pride. Long to break all vain obsession Till you're all that I desire.

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jerry_joseph Junior Member   Join Date: July 31, 2011 Posts: 255 Religion: Syrian Catholic

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by ltwin This does not really say what you want it to say. This is no different than someone involved in the occult becoming a born again Christian and confessing his former practices and sins before the congregation. And the congregation praises God and delights with the believer in his deliverance. It is a clear incident in bible, about people confessing their sins before apostles... __________________ Gods Love is so wonderful.

#393     Today, 4:59 am

grannymh Forum Master Forum Supporter   Join Date: November 16, 2008 Location: USA Posts: 12,964 Religion: Catholic

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Post by jerry_joseph Originally Posted by jerry_joseph So you believe that Eucharist is body of Jesus.. Thanks Reply by Itwin Quote: Originally Posted by ltwin In a spiritual sense, we do. As I said in another post on this thread, Pentecostals are on the spectrum between Zwinglian's memorial view and Calvin's spiritual presence view. Pentecostals that have been heavily influenced by certain types of evangelical theology, such as Baptist, may subscribe to a more symbolic, memorial view. It's hard to explain because many of the early Pentecostals fervently denied ideas such as Transubstantiation and Consubstantiation. However, the way they spoke of the Lord's Supper was in very mystical and ambiguous ways. It was as if they were not quite sure how to explain the presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper, and they were grasping at an explanation. It is a mystery to put it simply. One thing is certain, Pentecostals believe in the manifest presence of God. This is not limited to the Lord's Supper, but Christ is certainly present in a dynamic way through the Holy Spirit when we partake in Holy Communion. As J. Roswell Flower wrote (which I cite in a post above), "The Lord Jesus is brought very near in the observance of the Lord’s Supper" Reply to Itwin by granny. From a Catholic theological position, Itwin is describing one of the many ways Christ continues to remain present on earth. Both Pentecostals and Catholics believe in "the manifest presence of God". Together, we find Christ in prayer, "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them." (Matthew 18: 20) Christ is present in the Word of the Gospels. Christ is present in the poor, in the sick and the imprisoned. (Matthew 25: 31-46) Catholicism continues on with Christ is present in the Seven Catholic Sacraments of which He is the author. He is present in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and in the person of the priest. Christ, Body and Blood, is present most especially in the Eucharistic species of consecrated Bread and Wine. "The mode of Christ's presence under the Eucharistic species (Bread and Wine) is unique. It raises the Eucharist above all the sacraments..." (Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, paragraphs 1373-1374) In my humble opinion, the Holy Spirit is calling Pentecostals to a greater union with Our Lord Jesus Christ as He is truly present in the Catholic Eucharist. (Chapter 6, Gospel of John) Last edited by grannymh; Today at 5:15 am.

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guanophore Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Radio Club Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: February 14, 2007 Location: Southwestern United States Posts: 25,842 Religion: Obl. OSB

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by lance4648 Thanks for the offer but I'm not qualified to start a thread or represent any group. The only qualifications you need to start a thread are adequate membership privileges and an appropriate topic. It is not necessary that you represent anyone but yourself. Quote: Originally Posted by lance4648 All I know is that I'm a sinner saved by grace and I continually stumble and fall but God has always been there to pick me up. I really don't care if I'm known as a good Catholic, good Pentecostal or good Baptist because in the end I want to be like the prodigal son and have my father waiting with open arms saying welcome home. This won't happen unless you get out of the pig sty. Quote: Originally Posted by lance4648 I visited a Catholic church the other day and I hope I wasn't out of line. During prayer I raised my arms and a few minutes later I realized that people were staring. I didn't mean to cause a scene but I felt the move of the Holy Spirit and I raised my arms to "surrender" to his will. Catholics, being staunchly liturgical, gave up the raising of arms during Mass centuries ago, so unless you are at a Charismatic Mass people will probably stare at you. Quote: Originally Posted by lance4648 Well that's pretty much me in a nutshell. I honestly don't like to argue and debate. I figure God will be the judge and jury but in the meantime I just want to be a servant and friend. So what brings you to CAF? __________________ "The tradition of the Apostles has been made manifest throughout the world, and can be found in every Church by those who wish to know the truth." -- Irenaeus, writing about A.D. 189, on how the unity of the Church was based on the Apostolic Tradition everywhere handed down (paradosis).

#395     Today, 6:31 am

lance4648 New Member   Join Date: May 20, 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 8 Religion: Protestan

Re: Ask a Pentecostal I've always been curious about Catholicism and I also wanted to learn more about the faith. Growing up it always seemed so "mystical". There were very few Catholics in my home town but I just happened to live next to a sweet elderly Catholic lady that always told me that I needed to pray to the baby Jesus. As a kid I thought that was nice but never understood what she meant since he had grown up and been cruxified. I also grew up with the image of Catholics always being drunk and/or seeing images of Mary and Jesus in their French toast, lint traps, grilled cheese, etc... I know it sounds crazy but when television is your only reference it's easy to get that impression. Now that I'm older I'm trying to get in the habit of getting information about different people and groups from the source. I still have a lot to learn about Catholicism. I also have many questions but I'm trying to figure out the best way to ask (or who to ask) without sounding offensive or starting an argument.

#396     Today, 6:33 am

guanophore Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Radio Club Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: February 14, 2007 Location: Southwestern United States Posts: 25,842 Religion: Obl. OSB

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by benjohnson Speaking to prophesy would get you booted right out the door of our church. LOL yes I think those of us with strong Liturgical traditions are very closed to much of any spontaneity during them. But what about private prayer? Is it acceptable to speak in tongues or experience a prophesy when one is praying privately, or in a small group? Quote: Originally Posted by benjohnson With any new prophesy we seem to lack the ability to discern good from bad, and hence are suspicious of it all. Would this not just be a lack of catechesis? I think Catholics have the same problem. The average layperson has not learned basic principles of discernment. Quote: Originally Posted by benjohnson The traditional Lutheran answer is that we already have enough prophesy. Ok, that is what I thought, and was wanting to confirm it. On what basis is this conclusion reached? Quote: Originally Posted by benjohnson I agree! I'm torn - because I love good solid Liturgy, but I do see the holy spirit working in those that have those gifts. But I do also have a lot of reservations as well. Perhaps I need to learn to trust God more, but I also have to balance that with the risk of losing what little Grace I've been able to accept as it is. Has there been any charismatic renewal in the Lutheran circles? Would a group of Lutherans ever have a prayer group outside of Liturgy for the purpose of experiencing the spontaneous movement of the Holy Spirit? __________________ "The tradition of the Apostles has been made manifest throughout the world, and can be found in every Church by those who wish to know the truth." -- Irenaeus, writing about A.D. 189, on how the unity of the Church was based on the Apostolic Tradition everywhere handed down (paradosis).

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guanophore Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Radio Club Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: February 14, 2007 Location: Southwestern United States Posts: 25,842 Religion: Obl. OSB

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by grannymh There is a saying from years ago -- if the prophesy is to have the congregation build an Olympic swimming pool in the back yard of the Preacher -- something is fishy. Oh I so totally agree granny! I prefer my fish in a pond, and NO fish in my pool! __________________ "The tradition of the Apostles has been made manifest throughout the world, and can be found in every Church by those who wish to know the truth." -- Irenaeus, writing about A.D. 189, on how the unity of the Church was based on the Apostolic Tradition everywhere handed down (paradosis).

#398     Today, 7:45 am

guanophore Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Radio Club Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: February 14, 2007 Location: Southwestern United States Posts: 25,842 Religion: Obl. OSB

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by lance4648 I hope you don't mind me responding. Personally, I consider anyone who loves God with all their heart and soul to be a Christian I know some Jews and Muslims that would be very insulted by this attitude. Quote: Originally Posted by lance4648 A good indicator is how someone behaves out in the real world when a priest, pastor or church congregation isn't watching. Yep. I think lots of people forget their guardian angel is watching. And what if people were cognizant of being watched by the saints? Heb 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and the sin that clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, __________________ "The tradition of the Apostles has been made manifest throughout the world, and can be found in every Church by those who wish to know the truth." -- Irenaeus, writing about A.D. 189, on how the unity of the Church was based on the Apostolic Tradition everywhere handed down (paradosis).

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guanophore Forum Elder Prayer Warrior Radio Club Member Forum Supporter   Join Date: February 14, 2007 Location: Southwestern United States Posts: 25,842 Religion: Obl. OSB

Re: Ask a Pentecostal I grew up in the Catholic church and also went to church for years and learned what was expected and how to behave. When I made the same realization that I knew who God was but I didn't "know" him, I left the Church to find Him! [quote=lance4648;10785458 I'm proud to call you my Christian brothers and sisters and pray that y'all feel the same way.[/QUOTE] we do, and we join you in prayer. __________________ "The tradition of the Apostles has been made manifest throughout the world, and can be found in every Church by those who wish to know the truth." -- Irenaeus, writing about A.D. 189, on how the unity of the Church was based on the Apostolic Tradition everywhere handed down (paradosis).

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grannymh Forum Master Forum Supporter   Join Date: November 16, 2008 Location: USA Posts: 12,964 Religion: Catholic

Re: Ask a Pentecostal Quote: Originally Posted by lance4648 I've always been curious about Catholicism and I also wanted to learn more about the faith. Growing up it always seemed so "mystical". There were very few Catholics in my home town but I just happened to live next to a sweet elderly Catholic lady that always told me that I needed to pray to the baby Jesus. As a kid I thought that was nice but never understood what she meant since he had grown up and been cruxified. I also grew up with the image of Catholics always being drunk and/or seeing images of Mary and Jesus in their French toast, lint traps, grilled cheese, etc... I know it sounds crazy but when television is your only reference it's easy to get that impression. Now that I'm older I'm trying to get in the habit of getting information about different people and groups from the source. I still have a lot to learn about Catholicism. I also have many questions but I'm trying to figure out the best way to ask (or who to ask) without sounding offensive or starting an argument. These links may help. http://forums.catholic.com/showpost....0&postcount=10 http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=6487